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- 1850 census, Ephratah, Fulton, NY, fam # 2930 - Peter Cramer, ae 62, Laborer, unable to read and write, born in NY; Betsey, ae 61, unable to read and write, born in NY; Joseph, ae 33, Laborer, unable to read and write, born in NY; Amy, ae 31; Peter, ae 22, Laborer, unable to read and write; Christian, ae 17, Laborer; Betsey, ae 16; William, ae 11; John Weaver, ae 90, born in NY, unable to read and write; Sarah Weaver, ae 80, born in NY, unable to read and write. [parents-in-law]
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-The following is taken from The Weaver website.Revolutionary War Pension File (W.11.751):
In the matter of the application of John Weaver for a pension - under the act of 7th June 1832; Declaration No. 2
State of New York
County of Montgomery ss:
On this 20th day of March 1847, personally appeared in open Court before the Judges of the County Courts held in the aforesaid County John Weaver (or Weber) of the Town of St. Johnsville in the said County, aged Eighty-five years and having duly sworn according to law doth on his oath make the following Declaration in order to obtain the benefit of the provision made by the Act of Congress papers 7th June 1832.
That he served in the war of the revolution in manner and for the terms and under the officers herein after stated.
That he resided before and during the war of the revolution when not on duty with the US troops, at German - Flatts in the now County of Herkimer in said State. That he was born in said town of German-Flatts now town of Herkimer in said County of Herkimer N.Y. After said war he removed to Greenbush in the now County of Rensselaer in said State. After residing in said town of Greenbush for five or six years he moved to Pussen-Kill [Poestenkill?] in said County of Rensselaer. It was here that he married about fours years after the close of the said war - his oldest Child Betsy or Elizabeth being now fifty-eight years of age. He afterwards moved to Montgomery County aforesaid and resided for several years in the towns of Ephratah and Oppenheim in said County, now within the bounds of the County of Fulton ( a County recently cut off from the northern bounds of said County of Montgomery). For the greatest par of the time during the last forty years he has resided in said town of Oppenheim in said County of Montgomery N.Y.
And this declaration further saith [says], that the first service, if he recollects right, which he rendered in said war, was with a detachment of Militia from the Military Beat to which he belonged, under the command of Captain Gitman (or Kitman) detailed to perform fatigue duty. The duty performed was the erection of fortifications at Herkimer where the village of Herkimer (in the town of herkimer, Herkimer County) now stands. They commenced operations very early in the season, the Declarant cannot call to mind or specify, but the history of the times will fix it - when they commenced the snow was hardly melted of the preceding winter, say in the beginning of the month of April. This detachment was engaged daily thereafter until the middle of August Then following (harvest time) when an express came that Brant was coming with a party of the British and tories to make a decent on the frontier settlements of New York State on the North - a battle took place the next day after the arrival of the express - after this battle, Declarant did garrison duty till sometime in the fall of the same year at Fort Herkimer on the Dayton. The whole term of his service in this engagement above described was at least or exceeding six months - and he was constantly on duty as aforesaid except for the few days he was employed with others in gathering in the harvests. His father + brother Nicholas Weaver + Frederick Weaver served in the same detachment with him. His other Commanding Officers besides Capt. getman before named, were Colonel Peter Bellinger, Captain Frederick Moyer (or Myer) and Michael Myers who held some rank Declarant cannot now recollect, unless it was that of Commissary
The next service rendered by this Declarant (and he is not clear in his mind but that it may have been the first) was for a term of three months as a Drummer at said Fort Herkimer under said Captain Moyer as Commandant of the same. Many of the inhabitants living in his neighborhood had taken refuge in said fort for protection from the enemy. Being lame, Declarant was engaged in another tour as a Drummer for the term of five months at Fort Plain and for apart of the time at Fort Plank under command of Captain Lawrence Gross and the other officers whose names Declarant cannot now recollect. This term of five months was a continuous service, + spent in the performance of garrison duty, except when aiding the farmers to bring in their harvests.
His next tour of duty was for the term of five months as a Drummer at Fort Paris in Stone-Arabia, under the command of Captain afterwards major Fink, and Captain Grey + other officers whose names he cannot distinctly recollect while thus rendering garrison duty, he engaged in no civil pursuit whatever except as aforesaid.
Declarant also served under other officers besides those above named + at other places + for other terms, but owing to old age and defect of memory consequent thereon, he cannot possibly recollect or specify the details of such service except that he served for at least nine months under Captain Samuel Gray in his Company of Batteaumen, fatigue men and laborers in the year 1780. The time of his enlistment was early in the spring.
And this Declarant further saith, that the following are the names of some of the regular officers whom he knew or who were with the troops where he served and such continental and Militia regiments or Companies with which he served or can recollect viz Captain Ittig Colonels Marinus Willett, Goosen, Van Scharick, Fisher, Clook, Colonel Harper, General Van Rensselaer Col. Weisenfelt + others.
This declarant never received any written discharge from the service he rendered in any one of the towns, encampments or expeditions in which he participated as aforesaid, and has no documentary evidence and knows of no person whose testimony he can procure who can testify to his service, except those whose affidavits are hereto annexed or accompany this Declaration + he has made diligent search to find such witnisses.
He hereby relinquishes every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except the present, and declares that his name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state, and this application for a pension is the first he ever made.
And he further declares that the reason why he has never heretofore asserted his claim for a pension is because in the first instance after the law under which he now claims had passed, it was several years before he became cognizant of the fact that such law had passed, being uneducated and living in the backwoods at a distance from the public thoroughfares. As soon as he became acquaintee with the existance of such law, he applied to several persons to prepare his papers, but they declines without out a fee, which his poverty prevented him from giving. More than 8 years ago afterwards he applied to McGiles or Yates of the City of Schenectada who took down a memorandum of his services and promised to call upon him at his residence in Montgomery County N.Y. to see further about the matter but he never did so alledging in his correspondence afterwards had with Declarant on the subject from time to time that it was highly inconvenient for him to do so yet he collected some proofs of Declarants services from time to time as he stated. And further Declarant cannot say.
Inscribed and sworn to the day + year John (his X mark) Weaver
first aforesaid in open Court as
aforesaid [signature of Clerk]And the said Court do hereby declare their opinion after an investigation of the matter, that the above named applicant John Weaver was a revolutionary soldier and served as he states, and believe him to be over Eighty-four years of age.
I [Clerk's name] Clerk of said County, do hereby certify that the foregoing contains the original proceedings of the said Court in the matter of the application of John weaver for a pension. In testimony whereof I have hereunto at my [?] of office, this Sixteenth day of March One Thousand Eight Hundred + forty seven [signature of clerk]---
- Brief in the case of John Weaver of N.Y. Act June 7, 1832
Weaver declares for much service in the Militia, but as there is no proof to sustain his declaration in this particular. I need only mention the service for which I allow him. ----
He states that in the early part of the Spring of 1780 he enlisted in the Batteau Service under Capt Sam'l Gray and served at least nine months. ---- There are in the possession of this office two Rolls of Capt. Gray, one without date headed "List of Capt. Saml Gray's Co. of Batteaumen + Dates of Enlistment." On this Roll John Weaver's name is found and opposite it 5 Jany, Another dated 29 Feb. 1780, Pay Roll of Capt. Gray, giving names + dates of enlistment. Upon this is found the name of Jno. Weaver, Service 25 days, enlisted 5 Feb. 1780 --- Now it is evident that these Rolls are Monthly Rolls, that Weaver served 25 days in the month of Feby, there is no length of service on the first Roll [mentions?], and no date. Whether the Roll was for '80 '81 or '79 does not appear. ---
The proof of service and identity is Nicholas Myers, who is a pensioner and is pensioned for this very service. He swears that Weaver enlisted before March 1780 (one of the Rolls shows he enlisted 5 Feby 1780) and served until late that year. ---
Myers in his declaration claims for the identical service, The two declarations so nearly account in the particulars of this service that I am constrained to believe the claim a good one and shall accordingly admit it for nine months.
- Living with her son-in-law Peter Cramer during the 1850 census.
- Reported to not have a headstone.
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- 1820 census, Johnstown, Montgomery, NY, Weaver Frederick, 2 males under 10, 2 males 16-18, 3 male 16-26, 1 male over 45, 3 female under 10, 2 females 10-16, 1 female 26-45, 4 engaged in agriculture.
- 1830 census, Palatine, Montgomery, NY - Frederick N Weaver, 1 male under 5, 1 male 10-15, 1 male 15-20, 1 male 30-40, 1 male 40-50, 1 female under 5, 1 female 5-10, 1 female 10-15, 1 female 30-40.
- 1840 census, Ephratah, Fulton, NY - Frederick Weaver, 1 male under 5, 1 male 5-10,1 male 10-15, 1 male 20-30, 1 male 80-90, 1 female 5-10, 1 female 10-15, 1 female 15-20, 1 female 40-50, 1 female 80-90.
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- 1830 census, Columbia, Herkimer, NY, p 206. Henry Helmer, 0000000010000-0001000100000.
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- Parentage presumed based on the 1830 census.
- 1830 census, Columbia, Herkimer, NY, p 206. Henry Helmer jr, 1000010000000-1200100000000.
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- Johann Adam Helmer and Anna Eve Shoemaker are 2nd cousins. Their common ancestors are Johann Frederick Getman and Maria Johanna Bierman.
- 1830 census, Columbia, Herkimer, NY, p 206. Adam Helmer, 1 male under 5, 1 male 5-10, 2 males 15-20, 1 male 20-30, 1 male 60-70, 2 females 20-30, 1 female 50-60.
- He is not listed in the 1840 Columbia, NY census.
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- Johann Adam Helmer and Anna Eve Shoemaker are 2nd cousins. Their common ancestors are Johann Frederick Getman and Maria Johanna Bierman.
- AKA: Schumacker
- 1840 census, Columbia, Herkimer, NY - Eve Helmer, 1 female 40-49, 1 female 50-59.
- 1850 census, Columbia, Herkimer, NY, fam # 353 - Living with her son-in-law David Miller
- 1860 census, Columbia, Herkimer, NY, fam # 949 - Living with her son John.
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- AKA: Han Thomas Helmer
- 1840 census, Truxton, Cortland, NY, p 97. Thomas Helmer, 1 male 20-30, 1 male 40-50, 1 female 5-10, 1 female 15-20, 1 female 30-40.
- moved west (Hatch)
- AKA: Hannah
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- living with her son Nicholas during the 1850 and 1860 census
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- Living with her son Philip during the 1850 and 1860 census. She was listed by her maiden name in 1860.
- Veteran - Revolutionary War: Major (CJG)
- Harter, Philip, 70, d 12/7/41 in Herkimer (Mohawk Courier, Little Fall, Herkimer, NY, Dec 16. 1841) - (7000)
- Lived by the Hydraulic Canal in N. Herkimer (Mohawk Valley Harters)
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- Maria Elisabeth Christman and Jacob Bell are 1st cousins. Their common ancestors are Johann Henrich Meyers and Anna Maria Getman.
- 1830 census, German Flatts, Herkimer, NY - Jacob bell, 1 male under 5, 2 males 10-14, 1 male 20-29, 1 male 50-59; 1 female under 5, 1 female 15-19, 1 female 20-29, 2 females 30-39, 1 female 60-69.
- 1840 census, Schroeppel, Oswego, NY - Jacob Bell, 1 male 10-14, 1 male 60-69 1 female 60-69.
- 1850 census, Schroeppel, Oswego, NY, fam # 375 - Jacob Bell, ae 82born in NY; Mary ae 83, born in NY. [living next to their son Jacob and Robert]
- Captain Bell was a sea Captain. A grand father Cushman or Cristman was be-headed by the Indians. Info from Uncle John Edgcomb - # 234, I think.
Came from Herkimer, NY. "Washington Co., NY (Salem) 1737-1878: William Bell 1767-1777.
Info from hand writted document by George A. Vandeveer, undated and incomplete, but written after 1902:
"Ellen Elizabeth Lee's maternal grandfather was Jacob Bell. The Bells were of German descent, but the progenitor came to America long before the revolution. Her grandfather Bell was in the War of 1812. Her maternal grandmother's maiden name was Mary Chrisman and her father (Chrisman) was in the Revolution, was taken by the English as a prisoner to Canada. He and a fellow prisoner escaped and made their way back the settlement where the Chrisman family resided in a log house near some fort in Northern New York. This was in the winter and shortly after getting home again, an alarm was given in the neighborhood, that the Indians were going to make a raid. This was early in the morning. The Chrismans had everything loaded ready to drive to the fort, but concluded to eat breakfast first. The Indians came in on them, took him (Mrs. Lee's great grandfather Christman) and cut his head off on a log in the presence of his wife and children, but did not harm any other member of the family. Her great grandfather Bell was in the Revolution. She does not know his christian name, but imagines it was Jacob. He was a Captain and was killed in the battle at (Ariskeny?)" [Oriskany, Aug. 6, 1777 between British and Iroquois and the NY militia.] (Cornelia Beresford)
- Barker identifies an additional son, George Frederick b. abt 1796. Since this is not a plausible DOB that son is not included in this database. (He is suspected to have been the son of Jacob Bell b. 1745 and Elizabeth Weaver) [WG]
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- Maria Elisabeth Christman and Jacob Bell are 1st cousins. Their common ancestors are Johann Henrich Meyers and Anna Maria Getman.
- Barker shows her as both Maria and Maria Elisabeth
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- Presumed to be the person listed here based on census records.
- 1850 census, Little Falls, Herkimer, NY, fam # 308 - George J Hilts, ae 55, Farmer with property valued at $2000, born in NY; Polly, ae 47, born in NY; Peter, ae 21, Farmer, born in NY; Reuben, ae 18, Farmer; John, ae 9; Ruth, ae 14; George, ae 7; Lany M, ae 7; Catherine Scullen, ae 16.
- Barker Identifies his wife as Elizabeth Small. census records seem to indicate that Elizabeth Small married George G Hilts.
- AKA: Polly
- Parentage derived based on DOB calculated from this obituary, and 1860 census record.[WG]
- 1860 census, Little Falls, Herkimer, NY, fam # 315 - Mary Hilts, ae 56, Farming with real estate valued at $4000 and personal property of $1000, born in NY; Ruth, ae 24, born in NY; George, ae 19, Farmer; Lana, ae 17; Walter Schaller, ae 9, born in NY.
- Obituary (Herkimer Democrat, 9-21-1864.)
Hilts, Mrs. Polly.
In the town of Little Falls 9-13-1864.
Wife of George Hilts in her 63rd year.
(HERKIMER/MONTGOMERY COUNTIES OBITUARIES BULLETIN BOARD Part 11)
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- 1870 census, Little Falls, Herkimer, NY, fam # 868 - Scullen James, ae 45, Farmer with real estate valued at $2000 and personal property of $800, born in NY; Ruth M, ae 33, Keeping House, born in NY; Emma, ae 7, born in NY; Jenny, ae 4; George, ae 2; Peter, ae 1/12, born in May. [living next to his brother-in-law Peter Hilts]
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- 1870 census, Little Falls, Herkimer, NY, fam # 869 - Living with his brother Peter.
- 1880 census, Little Falls, Herkimer, NY, fam # 1191 - Hilts Ruben, ae 35, Laborer, born in NY, parents born in NY; George, ae 26, brother, Laborer, born in NY. [living near their brother Peter]
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- 1860 census, Little Falls, Herkimer, NY, fam # 316 - Living with his brother Peter.
- U.S. Civil War Soldier Records and Profiles
John Hilts - Age at Enlistment: 22 - Enlistment Date: 23 Jul 1862 - Rank at enlistment: Private - Enlistment Place: Little Falls, NY - State Served: New York - Survived the War?: No Service Record: - Mustered out at Windmill Point, VA.
Enlisted in Company A, New York 121st Infantry Regiment on 23 Aug 1862.
Birth Date: abt 1840 - Sources: New York: Report of the Adjutant-General
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- 1860 census, Little Falls, Herkimer, NY, fam # 315 - Living with his mother.
- 1870 census, Little Falls, Herkimer, NY, fam # 869 - Living with his brother Peter.
- 1880 census, Little Falls, Herkimer, NY, fam # 1191 - Living with his brother Reuben.
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- Mary was raised by her aunt and uncle, Maria Barbara Rasbach and Johannes Schell, after her parents died.
- AKA: Mary Moyer. (Barker) / Maria Gerlach Meyer (Barker)
- 1851 census, Oxford East, Oxford, Ontario, Canada - He and his wife were listed with their son, Jacob and his family.
- 1851 census, Ingersoll, Oxford, Canada West (Ontario) - He and his wife were also listed with their son, Daniel and his family.
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- Barker identifies her as the wife of William F Helmer. Shown here as her brother-in-law, husband of her sister Elizabeth. He also identifies her as the daughter of Henrich Meyer and Margaretha.
- 1850 census, Clayton, Jefferson, NY, fam # 501 - Living with his son Christopher.
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- 1860 census, Montague, Lewis, NY, fam # 26 - Living with his brother Christopher.